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ginfo crashes MATLAB

Postby nvll » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:32 am

Hello,

when I type ginfo in MATLAB, then MATLAB crashes. This happens in both MATLAB 2012a and 2012b. I have installed latest driver (307.32) and CUDA 5. Also, I installed Jacket 2.3.


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Re: ginfo crashes MATLAB

Postby vishy » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:03 pm

Hi nvll,

We will try to resolve this issue over email. Please expect to see an email from support@accelereyes.com in a few hours.
If anyone else is facing this issue and has not contacted AccelerEyes, please do contact us over email.
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Re: ginfo crashes MATLAB

Postby chfeilong » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:36 am

hi,I just want to know whether the ginfo crashes are solved since the JACKET2.3?
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Re: ginfo crashes MATLAB

Postby vishy » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:51 pm

Hi Chfeilong,

We want to let you know about an exciting change to Jacket: MathWorks and AccelerEyes have begun working together to offer a complete integrated GPU solution through MATLAB.

http://blog.accelereyes.com/blog/2012/1 ... celereyes/

With these changes, there won't be any new releases of Jacket, and so I'm afraid we won't be able to directly fix issues.

With the issues you experienced with ginfo, however, you have two possible options:
- The errors you encountered in Jacket 2.3 are only confined to ginfo. We can confirm that everything else in Jacket 2.3 works well.
- Another option is to continue using Jacket 2.2 (which, as I recall, you were using at the time we last emailed each other).

Let us know if we can answer any specific questions you might have.
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Re: ginfo crashes MATLAB

Postby MichalQ » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:56 pm

I have the same problem. See attached log.

Because the Accelereyes declared support of jacket 2.3 during year 2013, I need the relevant solution to fix ginfo and gactivate command.

>> ginfo
Jacket v2.3 (build b55c105) by AccelerEyes (64-bit Windows)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Segmentation violation detected at Sun Dec 30 19:52:08 2012
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Configuration:
Crash Decoding : Disabled
Default Encoding: windows-1252
MATLAB Root : C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b
MATLAB Version : 8.0.0.783 (R2012b)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7
Processor ID : x86 Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5, GenuineIntel
Virtual Machine : Java 1.6.0_17-b04 with Sun Microsystems Inc. Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM mixed mode
Window System : Version 6.1 (Build 7601: Service Pack 1)

Fault Count: 1


Abnormal termination:
Segmentation violation

Register State (from fault):
RAX = 0000000000000000 RBX = 0000000015a6e260
RCX = 00000000fffffffc RDX = 0000000000001634
RSP = 0000000004130d90 RBP = 0000000000000000
RSI = 0000000000001634 RDI = 0000000000000000

R8 = 0000000004130d48 R9 = 0000000000000004
R10 = 0000000000000000 R11 = 0000000000000246
R12 = 0000000000000000 R13 = 0000000000000000
R14 = 000007fffffdc000 R15 = 0000000000000000

RIP = 0000000076f0e4b4 EFL = 00010213

CS = 0033 FS = 0053 GS = 002b

Stack Trace (from fault):
[ 0] 0x0000000076f0e4b4 C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll+00320692 ( RtlDeNormalizeProcessParams+001444 )
[ 1] 0x0000000076f0e3db C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll+00320475 ( RtlDeNormalizeProcessParams+001227 )
[ 2] 0x000000006c18eead C:\Windows\WinSxS\amd64_microsoft.vc90.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.6161_none_08e61857a83bc251\MSVCR90.dll+00061101 ( lock_file+000089 )
[ 3] 0x000000006c191637 C:\Windows\WinSxS\amd64_microsoft.vc90.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.6161_none_08e61857a83bc251\MSVCR90.dll+00071223 ( fwrite+000103 )
[ 4] 0x000007feeedb0303 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libcurl.dll+00131843 ( curl_getdate+014547 )
[ 5] 0x000007feeedb0474 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libcurl.dll+00132212 ( curl_getdate+014916 )
[ 6] 0x000007feeedb0520 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libcurl.dll+00132384 ( curl_getdate+015088 )
[ 7] 0x000007feeedbc8dc C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libcurl.dll+00182492 ( curl_share_strerror+033980 )
[ 8] 0x000007feeedbde2d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libcurl.dll+00187949 ( curl_share_strerror+039437 )
[ 9] 0x000007feeedba239 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libcurl.dll+00172601 ( curl_share_strerror+024089 )
[ 10] 0x0000000015a61205 C:\Program Files\AccelerEyes\Jacket\2.3\engine\getMessages.mexw64+00004613 ( mexFunction+000389 )
[ 11] 0x0000000074570f83 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmex.dll+00069507 ( mexRunMexFile+000131 )
[ 12] 0x000000007456fce2 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmex.dll+00064738 ( inSwapMexfileReader+000226 )
[ 13] 0x000000007456fe64 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmex.dll+00065124 ( inSwapMexfileReader+000612 )
[ 14] 0x0000000074e8c80d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00051213 ( Mfh_file::dispatch_fh+000509 )
[ 15] 0x0000000074e8d0d6 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00053462 ( Mfunction_handle::dispatch+000854 )
[ 16] 0x000007fedf412cd8 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00142552 ( MathWorks::MException::MExceptionEnvelope::MExceptionEnvelope+003336 )
[ 17] 0x000007fedf4cbeb2 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00900786 ( inMexCallMATLAB+000738 )
[ 18] 0x000007fedf4cbb9e C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00899998 ( IInterpreter::GetInterpreterBridge+148286 )
[ 19] 0x000007fedf4cbcaf C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00900271 ( inMexCallMATLAB+000223 )
[ 20] 0x0000000074566989 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmex.dll+00027017 ( mexCallMATLAB+000073 )
[ 21] 0x000000002e937b04 C:\Program Files\AccelerEyes\Jacket\2.3\engine\gpu_entry.mexw64+00031492 ( m_is_scalar_matlab+008564 )
[ 22] 0x000000002e938fd3 C:\Program Files\AccelerEyes\Jacket\2.3\engine\gpu_entry.mexw64+00036819 ( m_is_scalar_matlab+013891 )
[ 23] 0x000000002e9317e5 C:\Program Files\AccelerEyes\Jacket\2.3\engine\gpu_entry.mexw64+00006117 ( eq+001845 )
[ 24] 0x000000002e932e59 C:\Program Files\AccelerEyes\Jacket\2.3\engine\gpu_entry.mexw64+00011865 ( mexFunction+001481 )
[ 25] 0x0000000074570f83 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmex.dll+00069507 ( mexRunMexFile+000131 )
[ 26] 0x000000007456fce2 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmex.dll+00064738 ( inSwapMexfileReader+000226 )
[ 27] 0x000000007456fe64 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmex.dll+00065124 ( inSwapMexfileReader+000612 )
[ 28] 0x0000000074e8c80d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00051213 ( Mfh_file::dispatch_fh+000509 )
[ 29] 0x0000000074e8d0d6 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00053462 ( Mfunction_handle::dispatch+000854 )
[ 30] 0x000007fedf469482 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00496770 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+309314 )
[ 31] 0x000007fedf465ca4 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00482468 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+295012 )
[ 32] 0x000007fedf44de1f C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00384543 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+197087 )
[ 33] 0x000007fedf44dd80 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00384384 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+196928 )
[ 34] 0x000007fedf47197d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00530813 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+343357 )
[ 35] 0x000007fedf470271 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00524913 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+337457 )
[ 36] 0x000007fedf4520e9 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00401641 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+214185 )
[ 37] 0x0000000074e8c80d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00051213 ( Mfh_file::dispatch_fh+000509 )
[ 38] 0x0000000074e8d0d6 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00053462 ( Mfunction_handle::dispatch+000854 )
[ 39] 0x000007fedf44210b C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00336139 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+148683 )
[ 40] 0x000007fedf453edf C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00409311 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+221855 )
[ 41] 0x000007fedf470ae8 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00527080 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+339624 )
[ 42] 0x000007fedf458d94 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00429460 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+242004 )
[ 43] 0x000007fedf462978 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00469368 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+281912 )
[ 44] 0x000007fedf465a8b C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00481931 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+294475 )
[ 45] 0x000007fedf44de1f C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00384543 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+197087 )
[ 46] 0x000007fedf44dd80 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00384384 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+196928 )
[ 47] 0x000007fedf47197d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00530813 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+343357 )
[ 48] 0x000007fedf470271 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00524913 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+337457 )
[ 49] 0x000007fedf4520e9 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00401641 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+214185 )
[ 50] 0x0000000074e8c80d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00051213 ( Mfh_file::dispatch_fh+000509 )
[ 51] 0x0000000074e8d0d6 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00053462 ( Mfunction_handle::dispatch+000854 )
[ 52] 0x000007fedf469482 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00496770 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+309314 )
[ 53] 0x000007fedf4f318f C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+01061263 ( inEachVisibleName+014415 )
[ 54] 0x000007fedf4674ca C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00488650 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+301194 )
[ 55] 0x000007fedf44de1f C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00384543 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+197087 )
[ 56] 0x000007fedf44dd80 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00384384 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+196928 )
[ 57] 0x000007fedf47197d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00530813 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+343357 )
[ 58] 0x000007fedf470271 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00524913 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+337457 )
[ 59] 0x000007fedf4520e9 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00401641 ( inFunctionHandleInterface::DestroyWorkspace+214185 )
[ 60] 0x0000000074e8c80d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00051213 ( Mfh_file::dispatch_fh+000509 )
[ 61] 0x0000000074e8d0d6 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_dispatcher.dll+00053462 ( Mfunction_handle::dispatch+000854 )
[ 62] 0x000007fedf5051e5 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+01135077 ( inValidateLoadedObject+001893 )
[ 63] 0x000007fedf514595 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+01197461 ( init_cleaner+015541 )
[ 64] 0x000007fedf517b75 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+01211253 ( inSetMaxFrameCount+002261 )
[ 65] 0x000007fedf517b48 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+01211208 ( inSetMaxFrameCount+002216 )
[ 66] 0x000007fedf517b07 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+01211143 ( inSetMaxFrameCount+002151 )
[ 67] 0x000007fedf400213 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+00066067 ( inPathNotification::function_clear_notification+004019 )
[ 68] 0x000007fedf50aed0 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+01158864 ( inEvalCmdWithLocalReturn+000416 )
[ 69] 0x000007fedf50ae2c C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+01158700 ( inEvalCmdWithLocalReturn+000252 )
[ 70] 0x000007fedf50ad71 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\m_interpreter.dll+01158513 ( inEvalCmdWithLocalReturn+000065 )
[ 71] 0x0000000079fbf90d C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmwbridge.dll+00063757 ( mnDebugPrompt+000109 )
[ 72] 0x0000000079fc0471 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmwbridge.dll+00066673 ( mnParser+000593 )
[ 73] 0x00000000749a64a4 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\mcr.dll+00222372 ( mcrInstance::mnParser_on_interpreter_thread+000036 )
[ 74] 0x000000007498681f C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\mcr.dll+00092191 ( mcr::setInterpreterThreadToCurrent+029887 )
[ 75] 0x0000000074986881 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\mcr.dll+00092289 ( mcr::setInterpreterThreadToCurrent+029985 )
[ 76] 0x00000000055ee0b6 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\uiw.dll+00385206 ( UIW_IsUserMessage+000086 )
[ 77] 0x00000000055ee7b9 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\uiw.dll+00387001 ( UIW_SetGLIMUserMsg+000153 )
[ 78] 0x00000000769587fe C:\Windows\system32\USER32.dll+00165886 ( GetMenuBarInfo+000638 )
[ 79] 0x000000007693f5fb C:\Windows\system32\USER32.dll+00062971 ( SystemParametersInfoW+000235 )
[ 80] 0x0000000076944895 C:\Windows\system32\USER32.dll+00084117 ( IsProcessDPIAware+000465 )
[ 81] 0x0000000076f11225 C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll+00332325 ( KiUserCallbackDispatcher+000031 )
[ 82] 0x000000007694908a C:\Windows\system32\USER32.dll+00102538 ( PeekMessageW+000186 )
[ 83] 0x00000000769450fe C:\Windows\system32\USER32.dll+00086270 ( GetKeyState+000238 )
[ 84] 0x0000000076943a6f C:\Windows\system32\USER32.dll+00080495 ( PeekMessageA+000087 )
[ 85] 0x00000000055c8f4b C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\uiw.dll+00233291 ( UIW_SetCurrentDialog+000731 )
[ 86] 0x00000000055efbe2 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\uiw.dll+00392162 ( ws_FreeSystemFont+000546 )
[ 87] 0x000000000484e6a3 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmwservices.dll+00779939 ( sysq::removeCommitDatabaseUpdatesHook+002131 )
[ 88] 0x000000000484fe18 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmwservices.dll+00785944 ( sysq::removeCommitDatabaseUpdatesHook+008136 )
[ 89] 0x0000000004851a20 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmwservices.dll+00793120 ( sysq::addProcessPendingEventsUnitTestHook+000240 )
[ 90] 0x0000000004851ae8 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmwservices.dll+00793320 ( sysq::addProcessPendingEventsUnitTestHook+000440 )
[ 91] 0x0000000004851ca3 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmwservices.dll+00793763 ( sysq::addProcessPendingEventsUnitTestHook+000883 )
[ 92] 0x0000000004851d76 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\libmwservices.dll+00793974 ( sysq::addProcessPendingEventsUnitTestHook+001094 )
[ 93] 0x000000007498837e C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\mcr.dll+00099198 ( mcr::setInterpreterThreadToCurrent+036894 )
[ 94] 0x0000000074988665 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\mcr.dll+00099941 ( mcr::setInterpreterThreadToCurrent+037637 )
[ 95] 0x000000007497b166 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\mcr.dll+00045414 ( DepfunRules::postWarning+003430 )
[ 96] 0x000000013f208a33 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\MATLAB.exe+00035379 ( ???+000000 )
[ 97] 0x000000013f208c97 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\MATLAB.exe+00035991 ( ???+000000 )
[ 98] 0x000000013f209163 C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2012b\bin\win64\MATLAB.exe+00037219 ( ???+000000 )
[ 99] 0x0000000076db652d C:\Windows\system32\kernel32.dll+00091437 ( BaseThreadInitThunk+000013 )
[100] 0x0000000076eec521 C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll+00181537 ( RtlUserThreadStart+000033 )


This error was detected while a MEX-file was running. If the MEX-file
is not an official MathWorks function, please examine its source code
for errors. Please consult the External Interfaces Guide for information
on debugging MEX-files.

If this problem is reproducible, please submit a Service Request via:
http://www.mathworks.com/support/contact_us/

A technical support engineer might contact you with further information.

Thank you for your help.** This crash report has been saved to disk as C:\Users\Misak\AppData\Local\Temp\matlab_crash_dump.4928-1 **


Caught MathWorks::System::FatalException
[Please exit and restart MATLAB]>>
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Re: ginfo crashes MATLAB

Postby MichalQ » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:31 pm

Still no answer :?: :!:

Does it mean, that this (serious) problem is completely out of your interest?
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Re: ginfo crashes MATLAB

Postby vishy » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:49 pm

Hi MichalQ,

Thank you for reporting this issue. Apologies for the hassle, and for the late response on the forum post; it being the holiday season in the USA, we were short-staffed and couldn't respond sooner.

We worked closely with the customers that reported this issue. Judging by the behavior, the issue seems to have something to do with the new MATLAB version and the different versions of the Visual C++ Runtime used. Our customers do report, though, that Jacket works well with MATLAB 2012a. So it appears to be quite a system-specific issue.

At this stage, could you please try the following steps and report the results back to me?

- Close all MATLAB sessions
- Open the C:\Program Files\AccelerEyes\Jacket\2.3\engine folder.
- Locate the two mex files labelled 'getMessages'. Rename them to 'getMessagesBAK'
- Now create a new M-file, "getMessages.m" in this location.
- Fill it with the following contents:

Code: Select all
function str = getMessages(x)
   str=''; %return empty string
end

- Now run MATLAB. Execute the following commands:

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addpath('C:\Program Files\AccelerEyes\Jacket\2.3\engine');
which getMessages
ginfo
gactivate
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